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Title: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: IMustNotFear on August 26, 2016, 01:16:49 PM
Currently I've been getting into classic anime.

I'm up to ep 37? of Hunter x Hunter
Episode 2 of Rurouni Kensington
And episode 3 of Serial Experiments Lain.

Just so you know, your favourite anime is trash.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: SC on August 26, 2016, 04:43:03 PM
Just so you know, your favourite anime is trash.

Definitely! :D

I went through an anime "phase" about 15 years ago.  I watched so much anime because I was curious to see what the big deal was.  But after I realized it was horribly overrated, I never got into it.

Recently, I watched the first season of Attack On Titan.  Can't say I thought it was the OMG Best Thing Ever.  It was fairly dull with way too much exposition and way too much time spent on the backstories of mostly irrelevant characters who's only purposes were to get killed.  I suppose that's designed to make us care about them when they become Titan Food, but I'm only invested in the show because I want to know more about the titans.

Then there was Knights of Sidonia, Netflix's first anime.  The animation is awesome, the art is serviceable (by anime standards), and their weaponry is pretty bad ass.  But the story is intentionally dragged out for melodramatic effect.  There was an entire episode where two characters just talked.  It gets 12 episodes a season, but the story could be streamlined into 4 - 6 episodes per season.  Yes, I do want to know if everyone can stay alive long enough to get where they need to go.  But I told my nephew we could probably skip to every third episode and and not miss any important details.

High School of the Dead had every bad anime trope imaginable and so much fanservice.  But there were guns and zombies so I didn't care.

I actually found Black Butler remarkably endearing for an anime that didn't seem like it was taking itself too seriously.  It's completely absurd, but the characters are lovable.  Except for Sebastian....  He's just creepy.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on August 26, 2016, 06:31:42 PM
Having just completed a marathon run of the Fullmetal Alchemist manga, I'm standing by my belief that it's one of the best animated epics I've seen. Of course, it's still shonen trash. ;P

I'm currently watching Macross Delta with my brother (at some point he decided that Macross being made into Robotech meant we should experience the full Macross franchise and no, I don't know why), and both of us are pretty disappointed in it. It's even more Every Anime Ever than Macross Frontier, and the musical acts are going downhill. Also, if they expect us to find the antagonists at all compelling, it would help if they weren't Nazis.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Im-No-Jedi on August 27, 2016, 01:23:46 AM
I started watching One Punch Man last year, but stopped after the third episode due to irl issues. I planned on finishing the series, I just haven't ever gotten around to it. By the time I was ready to pick it up again earlier this year, Fire Emblem Fates came out and completely consumed my life, and ever since then, my free time has been taken up with playing various video games (currently Overwatch). Now the English dub has come out, and I'm super curious to see if it's any good, but again, not enough of a priority for me to actually take the effort to watch it. I want to finish watching the Japanese version before moving on to the English version for comparison. Hopefully it ends up being better than the atrocity that was the English Free! dub *shudders*
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on August 27, 2016, 10:52:43 PM
My brother is watching the dub of One Punch Man. I can see why people like it, and I appreciate it taking the wee out of the typical shonen fighty stuff, but sadly it's too close to what it's parodying for me to really enjoy it.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: SC on August 27, 2016, 11:35:38 PM
My brother is watching the dub of One Punch Man. I can see why people like it, and I appreciate it taking the wee out of the typical shonen fighty stuff, but sadly it's too close to what it's parodying for me to really enjoy it.

That's unfortunate to read.  I was looking forward to it because I had heard it was making fun of animes II disliked.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on August 28, 2016, 04:37:50 PM
Well, my specific problem was the pacing, so I'd say to give it a try. I'm also missing most of the references to other famous shone, so that's probably affecting my enjoyment.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Guy on August 28, 2016, 07:08:21 PM
Texhnolyze is the best anime ever made.

Ergo Proxy is also great. Just remove the dumb robot girl and you've got a 10/10 anime.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: IMustNotFear on August 29, 2016, 08:39:18 AM
Texhnolyze is the best anime ever made.
It's garbage.

Jk I've not seen it.

Serial Experiments Lain is hitting all those existential highs. I've got not a clue what is going on.

My brother is watching the dub of One Punch Man. I can see why people like it, and I appreciate it taking the wee out of the typical shonen fighty stuff, but sadly it's too close to what it's parodying for me to really enjoy it.
I'm going to agree that it's shonen hero nonsense, but it is HILARIOUS shonen hero nonsense. I wonder, though, Im No Jedi, if you'd be ok with it. There is a serious amount of gore in OPM. It's played for laughs but it's still there.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Im-No-Jedi on August 30, 2016, 01:36:56 AM
^ I was worried about the gore too, but because the show is so comedy based, I'm able to handle it a bit better for some reason. I have looked away from the screen several times before too LOL.

I actually recorded myself watching the first three episodes when I watched them last year. They're here on Youtube if anyone is interested in seeing them: [1] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SSG94E-Cms), [2] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQr23k9VirM&feature=youtu.be), [3] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8h0phVv1Hxk). I was watching them off my Wii U and the internet kept crapping out on me, causing the videos to buffer for minutes on end, so that made my reactions pretty funny haha XD
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: BySt0rm on August 31, 2016, 04:09:53 AM
Seen Iron Blooded Orphan and just about to drop it. The protagonists are as compelling as a block of wood, and make it hard to relate or care about any of the main cast. It also has become a chore to watch because it's plodding right at the last few episodes. It also doesn't help that the leads come off as psychopaths that kill people  in cold blood and walk away like it's nothing. They don't feel human or real. Well, that's going to go.

In contrast, One Punch Man is a decent parody of shonen action and each episode leaves me wanting more. I'll probably keep this one going.

Attack on Titan is definitely bland, for sure.

Favorite shows on older Toonami /adult swim were Black Lagoon, Paranoia Agent,  Big O,  Cowboy Bebop, Outlaw Star, Yu Yu Hakusho,  G Gundam and Samurai Champloo.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on September 02, 2016, 07:02:39 PM
Seen Iron Blooded Orphan and just about to drop it. The protagonists are as compelling as a block of wood, and make it hard to relate or care about any of the main cast. It also has become a chore to watch because it's plodding right at the last few episodes. It also doesn't help that the leads come off as psychopaths that kill people  in cold blood and walk away like it's nothing. They don't feel human or real. Well, that's going to go.

I admit I'm not really enjoying it either, but I think it's deliberate that the protags don't feel "human" or "real." They're child soldiers trained from a young age to not just kill, but be fully functional soldiers. It's really the show's one interesting angle, IMO, and while I haven't visited the Democratic Republic of Congo to see for myself, I suspect that IBO's portrayal is perhaps more realistic than you think. It's just that those kind of life experiences don't necessarily make for "likable" characters when we see them in combat doing as child soldiers do.

That said, I'm getting suspicious that there's no further point to the depiction of child soldiers in IBO than to try to make the audience sympathetic while also providing "awesome" bloody "guilt free" action scenes. I don't know the tumblr word for what that is, but it's disappointing and uncool, considering I was hoping for something more Blood Diamond. The plodding pace you mentioned doesn't help, as the kids haven't encountered proper society yet, and the criminal organization they've joined is presented as if the audience is supposed to think it's cool, with harems and samurai honor and cool clothes and shore leave on space stations.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: BySt0rm on September 03, 2016, 08:31:12 AM
Seen Iron Blooded Orphan and just about to drop it. The protagonists are as compelling as a block of wood, and make it hard to relate or care about any of the main cast. It also has become a chore to watch because it's plodding right at the last few episodes. It also doesn't help that the leads come off as psychopaths that kill people  in cold blood and walk away like it's nothing. They don't feel human or real. Well, that's going to go.

I admit I'm not really enjoying it either, but I think it's deliberate that the protags don't feel "human" or "real." They're child soldiers trained from a young age to not just kill, but be fully functional soldiers. It's really the show's one interesting angle, IMO, and while I haven't visited the Democratic Republic of Congo to see for myself, I suspect that IBO's portrayal is perhaps more realistic than you think. It's just that those kind of life experiences don't necessarily make for "likable" characters when we see them in combat doing as child soldiers do.

That said, I'm getting suspicious that there's no further point to the depiction of child soldiers in IBO than to try to make the audience sympathetic while also providing "awesome" bloody "guilt free" action scenes. I don't know the tumblr word for what that is, but it's disappointing and uncool, considering I was hoping for something more Blood Diamond. The plodding pace you mentioned doesn't help, as the kids haven't encountered proper society yet, and the criminal organization they've joined is presented as if the audience is supposed to think it's cool, with harems and samurai honor and cool clothes and shore leave on space stations.

Now I have to see Blood Diamond just so I can understand this mindset better, because when I think of child soldiers in anime, I think of Gundam Wing or Evangelion for instance. And because I heard it's a great movie. That's the exact thing I have an issue with the show. I feel that they needed to make the killing and brutal action more weighted to de-glorify the scenes. Everything in the show is set so we can see awesome giant robots fight each other. If I wanted that, I'd watch Power Rangers Dino Charge or some super robot anime.  I really want to feel like they want to live a better life, but are currently so irretrievably screwed by their upbringing that anything like living in a normal society, etiquette, raising children, getting married and having a relationship, will always be an uphill battle for them. And sometimes due to the PTSD, they may not be able to fully function at all. As much of a giant robot show fan that I am , I don't want these ornately animated robot fights and violence to feel cool or awesome. I want it to feel as you say, like Blood Diamond. Or like Hunger Games or like Gathering Blue.  We already have a difference in the kids being better adjusted than their older counterparts, and would like that found.

The thing is, I read the 0079 novelization and just in the first five chapters, it really gets down to the grit and horror of war and how things are in really big detail. Amuro Ray is basically walking in a street filled with corpses in order to get to the Gundam he eventually pilots in one chapter.  It's gruesome and it's not sugarcoated by trying to be cool or glorifying the edge, though it's more of a good vs. evil story than anything else.

The pirates , which I'll call Techiden from this time on, are basically led by Jack Sparrow In Space with G Gundam vibes. Except he's successful at what he does. and amassed a crew and harems in such like such a character may have done. They're very out of sync with the rest of the show, and maybe that's supposed to be that way? They present a vastly different way of living that's still questionable, but it's not like the drudgery of the compound when they were growing up.  But if not, it's like having Superfriends in the next grim and dark  DCEU movie, or if the Justice League teamed up with the Wonder Twins as like in the cartoon. Really hope they got a sinister inner layer to them, because they're about as evil as Domon Kasshu from G Gundam and wacky like his mentor archenemy.

And in a show trying to be serious about its subject matter, it's hard for it to accomplish these ends when they can't do it. Look, I'm not opposed to balancing the dark with a few lighter scenes and aspects so it doesn't get too down dark, like how Avatar in it's best has done. However, as you mentioned, they're just using the child soldier theme to drum up sympathy. AKA, they decided to make a terrible remake of Gundam Wing. I don't remember much of that show, though as I was in kindergarten or in first grade. Just the Endless Waltz manga.

I really want a plot line where they go into the future and have it revolve around Orga's son being raised by Earth people to use against Orga himself, and show the contrasts between their personalities and attitudes.


Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: shorewall on September 07, 2016, 03:38:53 PM
My favorite Anime is Teen Titans.   ;D
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: SC on November 15, 2016, 04:21:53 PM
I just watched an anime where two girls beat each other up with their butts.  The winner literally farted out a ghost wolf (I think) and it howled.  Then I watched excerpts from another anime about a guy who farted and his fart gives people advice.  This is the absurd stuff my daughter surfs YouTube for.  Frankly, I find it more entertaining than most of the mainstream stuff I've watched over the years.  I also love Shin Chan.  I find that I can only really enjoy anime that is incredibly absurd or anime that is extremely violent.

Rec me stuff, please. :D
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on February 09, 2020, 04:00:07 PM
I guess this doubles as a manga thread, right? Anyway, Line Wolf & Cub is pretty good so far. I’m not making rapid progress due to missing a couple of the omnibus volumes, but it’s a visually impressive work as I have already said.

I’m planning on watching Attack on Titan pretty soon. The animation looks stellar and I heard it gets better as it goes along.

Oh, and I finished Death Parade last week. It started off pretty good. It reminded me of a softer version of Saw at first. I kind of lost interest throughout the duration of the middle act, so basically episodes 3 through 7, but once things picked up, it started getting good again. The finale was pretty emotional, but that could just be because the topics of suicide, loss, and regret get me all teary-eyed. I’m glad I watched it though, even though it had a lot of pacing issues.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on February 09, 2020, 07:10:21 PM
I wonder how many people these days read Usagi Yojimbo comics and see Lone Goat & Kid without knowing what Lone Wolf & Cub is:

(https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/scale_small/13/132162/2850970-1__3_.png)
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on February 09, 2020, 07:37:13 PM
It wouldn’t be that surprising, since Lone Wolf & Cub ended many years ago. And it’s been replaced by a number of other big-name mangas in the public consciousness.

Anyway, I think Samurai Jack owes a lot of its aesthetic to Lone Wolf & Cub, and could even be considered an adaptation of it in  some ways.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on February 21, 2020, 09:50:57 PM
I’m about to start One Punch Man and Haikyu. I’m trying to go in blind, but apparently some of you guys already discussed the former. Hopefully the opinions expressed don’t effect my enjoyment (or lack thereof) of the series.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Sailor Haumea on February 23, 2020, 03:39:34 PM
I should probably do a rewatch of Dragon Ball soon, but as much as I like the series, 639 episodes, plus 20+ movies, is a lot. Plus, a lot of Super is kinda dreadful filler (Dragon Ball filler is supposed to be GOOD, not awful stuff like Trunks and Goten getting water for Videl, uggghhhh). I try to do a rewatch of Dragon Ball once a year, but I somehow didn't do one last year.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Sailor Haumea on February 23, 2020, 03:45:29 PM
Also:

It has now been a year and two months since the most recent chapter of Hunter x Hunter has been released.

Will we ever get chapter 391?

(Maybe)
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on February 23, 2020, 03:58:16 PM
That’s on my too watch list. Some chica asked me to draw the main trio at work the other day, so I’ve been curious who these guys Ive been drawing were ever since. I’ll check it out after I’m done with One Punch Man, which will hopefully be today.

Anyway, I think One Punch Man is pretty good. I don’t think I’ll ever watch it again, but the gags were pretty good. I had at least one good chuckle per episode. It  just has a very weak middle act. But these last few episodes (and hopefully the last two) have been very good. The show is very visually interesting for a comedy series.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Yougo on March 05, 2020, 09:21:21 AM
I've been on a Myazaki/Ghibli discovery roll lately, because Netflix :P


Yes there exist people from the early 80's who are still discovering just how awesome the 80's were!


So i watched Nausicaä (english dub) -No- I consumed-feasted on-absorbed-and-marveled at Nausicaä. i see so many things in that one movie that resonates in and echos in with so. many. other things that came after it, from the obvious later anime to western animation, to ATLA, to live action material to games, like so much of the later Legend of Zelda games.

it's like being at a party and wondering why you meet so many people who have the same looks and mannerisms and you can't figure out why, only to meet a woman at the end of the evening who tells you you're on a family reunion and she's their mother!

and there are so many things i still missed and have 'oh snap' moments about the next day, like just now realizing her dress ended up blue as per the legend, but wasn't it red halfway into the movie?? and figuring out it must have been the baby-ohm's blood, and figuring out being covered in baby-ohm blood must have helped her survive the ohm stampede!
And silly stuff like just KNOWING Yuma's voice and just KNOWING that voice belongs to that 80's vibe and after watching STAR TREK TNG for all these years, just now it clicked that  he is voiced by Patrick Steward!

wow, it's been so long since i've been so captivated by a movie! none of what the movie industry has been churning out for years can hold a candle to what i've seen yesterday.

i'm on a buzz, let me :P
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on March 17, 2020, 11:17:22 PM
The Promised Neverland is ending soon, I think. Like a lot of the animes I’ve been talking about, it started really strong, but then just kind of fizzled out about half way through. I’m still going to finish it, but I’m kind of bored with this series. What a shame.
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on March 18, 2020, 06:57:34 PM
Yeah, I've already seen some of the buzz for it wilting in other places. I guess it's another 'Attack on Titan.'
Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Colonel Brian on March 19, 2020, 11:14:07 PM
I haven’t seen Attack on Titan, but one coworker I know swears by it. Though other people I trust aren’t as enthusiastic about it as they once were. So that’s probably an apt comparison.

Anyway, I’ve seen you mention the Melancholy of Haruhi Sazumi on your tumblr, is that something you’d highly recommend, or with reservations? Since it looks like we as a nation are going to be on lockdown for awhile, I need something to pass the time (and will make me laugh, which is really needed).

Title: Re: Anime Was a Mistake (animu thread)
Post by: Loopy on March 20, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
I highly recommend it with major reservations. :D It has girl-on-girl sexual harassment as humor and teenage fanservice (because anime), but if you can stomach that, it's unique and delightful.

Oh, and I should warn you about season 2. There's a thing there that wore on people's patience. If you hit your limit, definitely tap out and use an episode guide to jump to the last episode in that arc or the next story arc. It's nothing offensive or upsetting, just something that can get annoying. I like what it was trying to do, but I think it fell short of the vision.

And definitely watch the 3-hour movie that finishes the series. It's one of the best things ever, and really brings it all home.